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Clint
December 4, 2011, 6:48pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Can you fire a gun while invisible and if so does it make you visable again. The rules say melee attacks do. As it specifies Melee but not attacks in general would you be kind enough to clarify. It's just that Invisible Aliens with disintergrator guns are really quite nasty.

Thanks in advance.


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When I palyed with an invisible cast member he followed the other player around almost invulnerable, was great for me but not for him   Plus if the syrum wore off a luck point easily changed that result

The rules state Melee which is a physical contact between two opponents, merely firing a weapon isnt and can be done whilst reclining in your armchair if you like.

However for the balance of the game and the sanity of your severly pee'd off opponent......?


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December 4, 2011, 7:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Theres a couple of ways to look at this literally and logically.

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Invisible - The model can turn invisible (or return to normal) at the beginning of any of their activations. While invisible they cannot be attacked, blocked or otherwise interfered with by any opposing models.
Melee attacks instigated by an invisible model gain an initial +1 hit bonus due to the element of surprise. Invisible models lose their invisibility after the first round of melee combat.

As the rules for Invisible ONLY specify Melee Combat its likely to have been an oversight - I would (personally) amend the entry to read "Invisible models lose their invisibility after the first round of combat", not just melee combat. If you are playing against an RT (Rules Tosser) they might argue as it specifies Melee Combat, ranged combat isn't possible whilst Invisible (you know the type).

Upon saying that, you are only ever going to get away with the Disintigrator/Invisibility trick once, as any opponent worth their salt is going to take Infra-red Spectacles forever and a day afterward!

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Infra-red Spectacles - Ignore hit modifiers for soft cover, immune to Concealment and Invisible special effects




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December 4, 2011, 8:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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An oversight IMHO. To my mind it's just like D&D - you attack and lose it. I'll check with M'colleague and confirm.
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Quoted from Karl@Crooked Dice
To my mind it's just like D&D


Those really are magic words . . . . .



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The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh lives under my pillow. need to paint one of my Pirate ships as the 'Sea Ghost'  


I STILL run 1st Edition AD&D LoL!


I've been looking for an original sin, One with a twist and a bit of a spin - and since I've done all of the old ones, Till they've all been done in - Now I'm just looking, and I'm gone with the wind - Endlessly searching for an original sin . . .
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The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh lives under my pillow. need to paint one of my Pirate ships as the 'Sea Ghost'  


First D&D I ever played ran by Morgan's dad! Happy days.
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I would say ANY attacks cause you to appear visible.


"He had scurvy and rickets, and was covered from head to foot in festering sores. All in all he was quite the most ghastly apparition of a man I had ever seen."
"I see, and who exactly was this poor unfortunate?"

"That's you that is."
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Quoted from Doctor Warlock


I STILL run 1st Edition AD&D LoL!


Its still the best, why did they ever feel the need to bring out 2nd.. 3rd.. 3.5... oh yeah that would be for the money not the need!


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The only modern FRPG I run is Castles & Crusades, and Gygax had input on that.


I've been looking for an original sin, One with a twist and a bit of a spin - and since I've done all of the old ones, Till they've all been done in - Now I'm just looking, and I'm gone with the wind - Endlessly searching for an original sin . . .
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Clint
December 4, 2011, 8:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Thanks for the quick response.  Seems fair and straight forward.


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Quoted from Clint
Thanks for the quick response.  Seems fair and straight forward.


As always


I've been looking for an original sin, One with a twist and a bit of a spin - and since I've done all of the old ones, Till they've all been done in - Now I'm just looking, and I'm gone with the wind - Endlessly searching for an original sin . . .
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Im a bit AD&D OCD I have multiple Rules books, I have to keep buying them, three fiend folios four DMG's etc

Its a problem I know but I could stop... if I wanted to

I mean why would anyone want three Oriental adventure books? sigh, where did I put that Legends and Lore spare copy, twitch twitch  


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Ditto Mate, Ditto.


I've been looking for an original sin, One with a twist and a bit of a spin - and since I've done all of the old ones, Till they've all been done in - Now I'm just looking, and I'm gone with the wind - Endlessly searching for an original sin . . .
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